@jenett That looks really good. With only one sidebar there is a lot more focus on the discovery aspects of the page.
I’m glad you showed this to me, I’ve been considering trying to start a linkport of my own – only in a niche – and I was thinking of trying to do it with B2evolution.net blog and they mostly just have one sidebar themes. This gives me something of an idea what that would look like. I really do like your linkport idea.
Thanks for the preview! I like the way it looks. Also my eyes are getting weaker so the larger fonts help.
@bradenslen Thanks for the feedback Brad. Just got the header look more consistant with the old. The exciting part is that the new linkport will be indieweb capable. Yeah baby!
@bradenslen The daily pointers will end up on the sidebar too when it’s done.
@jenett That is very powerful. And you might get some neat feedback via webmentions.
@jenett I really like this!
@paulcraig901 Thanks Paul. It’ll be a real improvement over the current version (which uses an ancient version of moveabletype). Cleaner design and better functionality, I’m excited about finally doing it.
@bradenslen Yeah – after updating my other blogs I just had to get this going. Besides the indieweb stuff, just being able to paginate the category pages will be great- the existing site has huge pages for some categories and I had to abbreviate those listings to keep the page sizes down – it’s better for the user if they can see the full posts when browsing a category. (After the change we’ll have to adjust that search link you added to your directory – it will still work in the meantime.)
@jenett That makes sense on the categories. Let me know on the search link, I’ll be happy to update.
What blog script were you using before?
@bradenslen The old one uses moveabletype3 which i never updated after that company was sold. The search syntax is simpler in wordpress – just one parameter (?s=keyword) – but don’t change until i launch the new version please.
@bradenslen The new site is live ( the.dailywebthing.com ) – the parameter for the search form is “?s=” – Please update it when you have time. I appreciate it!
Kicks Condor (1/23/19): This has been cool to watch—you’ve managed to bring over all your old links, everything looks good—and we can now crosstalk directly on your pointers pages and blog entries. This is great!
It’s funny—I stumbled across the VISUAL OBSERVER link around the same time as you. I think we’re both plundering a lot of the same tags and users on Pinboard. This has made me want to pool our link-finding knowledge, in the hopes of discovering where we’re being redundant and where we might want to venture out further. (I need to make a list of my main discovery avenues.)
To what degree do you grind away, looking for links? Or do you wait for them to come to you?
Thanks for the compliments Kicks. The dailywebthing linkport and daily pointers contain over 8,500 posts between them so it was a lot of work. Like you, I’m excited about what the indieweb brings to my sites. That leads me to the question you asked. Since 1997, I’ve spent, on average, about 4 hours per day grinding away on my web linking projects, which also included coolstop.com (daily site reviews) from 10/1997 thru 9/2010. I can’t conceive of the notion of waiting for links to come to me, which leads me to the other part of your comment.
You’ve mentioned a desire to collaborate before, so I have to be honest. My linking thing is very personal to me. Though I can appreciate your desire for learning more, I truly don’t have hopes of “discovering where we’re being redundant and where we might want to venture out further” beyond what I’m already doing through observation and interaction. What I mean to say is that I’m not looking to combine my efforts with yours (or vice-versa). We’ve already shared knowledge and our enthusiasm for the medium and our love for linking – that’s sure to be an ongoing (enjoyable) thing. But pooling our knowledge, or collaborating between sites on some type of joint effort is different than simply communicating between sites, and between us, in my mind. I know it might sound unfriendly but I don’t necessarily want to share everything. Yes, web surfing is a skill and you already know how to do it pretty damn well. We both link to unique things and I’m really comfortable with the thought of each of our sites having its own unique identity.
As I become better at expressing the motivation behind what I do and how deeply committed I am to certain aspects of it, things may get clearer. In the meantime, our recent conversations have played an important part in the direction my sites are going. I appreciate that and hope my brutal honesty doesn’t offend.
Since 1997, Ive spent, on average, about 4 hours per day grinding away on my web linking projects, which also included coolstop.com (daily site reviews) from 10/1997 thru 9/2010. I cant conceive of the notion of waiting for links to come to me, which leads me to the other part of your comment.
Ok, interesting—yeah, I’d agree, hunting can suck up hours of time. And, yeah, if you are spending four hours per day, I’m not going to keep up, since I’m lucky to get in four hours per week. Glad for your honest reason. Very glad for ‘brutal’ honesty—to just have your thoughts succinctly, rather than to beat around the bush for three months.
What I mean to say is that I’m not looking to combine my efforts with yours (or vice-versa). We’ve already shared knowledge and our enthusiasm for the medium and our love for linking—that’s sure to be an ongoing (enjoyable) thing. But pooling our knowledge, or collaborating between sites on some type of joint effort is different than simply communicating between sites, and between us, in my mind.
Right—I don’t mean to say that we’re going to just merge our sites together—although I did discuss trying to be clear about link-finding strategies, which borders on a trade secret I suppose. (Especially where you’ve been doing this for several decades.) And I am happy to rescind that request—I’m not trying to steal your strategy, even if I am planning to clearly lay out mine.
But let’s back up: I think we must have a fundamentally different view of where the Web is today. (imho) Link-finding has changed dramatically from the early days of the Web. Back then, everything was a link. The whole landscape was personal home pages, web comics, and niche forums. Magellan-level exploration.
Today, the Web we’re inhabiting is a niche. There is very little growth out here by comparison. Surely, there is still an infinite landscape to explore, but much of it is ad-ridden, startup- or software-focused. ‘Bloggers’ are moving toward ‘influencers’. When people talk about ‘the blogs’, they think about pundits, TMZ-type Paparazzi and minor celebrities. The rest of blogging has become an extension of Pinterest: personal recipe and home decor blogs dominate.
The ‘Indieweb’/‘Indie Web’ is a niche like vinyl collectors. It won’t ever achieve mainstream significance again. When I talk to meatspace friends about The Web, they look at it as a quaint little city that doesn’t really offer them anything new. And the only thing I can appeal to is a type of idealism: aesthetic and political idealism.
So, whereas link-finding use to be the essential task of mapping out the frontier, our new task is different: to broadcast the location of our outpost so that the holdouts who are still blogging and the wanderers, who happen to be drawn to experiment with a blog, know where we are.
I really think that an important part of our work will be to lay out how we link-find—not so that newcomers can just copy the technique—but so that they know where we’re looking. If we’re looking at tags on Pinboard, then they know where to post on Pinboard. If we’re sharing on certain hashtags on Twitter, then they know. In the past, this might have caused those channels to be oversatured—but I really don’t think spam will be our problem. Our problem is survival.
Of course, we wish the old days would return. But the future will be better, somehow. I just don’t think it will inhabit The Web again.
If you disagree or roll your eyes at any of this—no problem, no problem whatsoever. The invitation is soft—no need to get involved with anything. Focus on your work. (Fantastic work!) I just hope that my efforts won’t be upsetting you in some way. I’d rather be of a benefit, if that can possibly be the case.
Kicks – Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say. Based on what you clarified in your reply, let me offer the following: I do find many links via pinboard and follow a large and growing list of users (via my network rss feed, which includes all of the users I’ve subscribed to). I cite the pinboard user as the source when a link I use comes from them (which is relatively easy to track). I find new pinboard users to follow both by browsing pinboard and by following and filtering the recent rss feed. I also follow a few tags like design, dev, blogs, automation, etc. The most important feed is the network feed.
I also have a number of other sources I follow by feed and by browsing/exploring/surfing the web (which I won’t share as a list though I’ve linked to many of them). In general, I try to cite sources when I find new links, though tracking all of that information has its limitations. Anyone who explores my sites can see my sources. If they don’t see a source cited it might be that I couldn’t track it, it’s a link I’ve seen on more than one site, or it’s the type of site I simply will not link to (for a number of reasons like ads, annoyances, or commercial content/tone, as examples). In many cases, I’ve linked to sites at the dailywebthing who are also sources/potential sources for other links. Several of your projects and Brad’s directory are just a few examples. Finally on this subject, I’ve got to say that the micro.blog community leads to a lot of web out there, particularly newer blogs.
As far as how we view the web, I may be a little simple-minded about linking. My goal is to provide people with a pleasant web surfing experience, free of the ad-ridden crap and all the other types of annoyances that the web is full of (and always has been). To me, it’s very subjective what I mean when I use like words like ‘pleasant’ or ‘annoying’ or even ‘useful.’ In my case, what I do when I ‘link-find’ is probably somewhat a reaction to some things I don’t care for. The new indieweb tools do help get the word out and also lead to interaction – those are good things that enhance linking. But yes, it ‘s all kinda like vinyl records or even the Grateful Dead. I don’t mind being part of the few. Mainstream is over-rated and scarcity adds value to the gems we find.
I didn’t think you wanted to ‘merge’ sites or anything like that. But it seemed to me you wanted to somehow coordinate our efforts, and whether I took that right or wrong, that’s what I was responding to. I like your honesty too – it makes for meaningful discourse. Thanks.
@jenett That looks really good. With only one sidebar there is a lot more focus on the discovery aspects of the page.
I’m glad you showed this to me, I’ve been considering trying to start a linkport of my own – only in a niche – and I was thinking of trying to do it with B2evolution.net blog and they mostly just have one sidebar themes. This gives me something of an idea what that would look like. I really do like your linkport idea.
Thanks for the preview! I like the way it looks. Also my eyes are getting weaker so the larger fonts help.
@bradenslen Thanks for the feedback Brad. Just got the header look more consistant with the old. The exciting part is that the new linkport will be indieweb capable. Yeah baby!
@bradenslen The daily pointers will end up on the sidebar too when it’s done.
@jenett That is very powerful. And you might get some neat feedback via webmentions.
@jenett I really like this!
@paulcraig901 Thanks Paul. It’ll be a real improvement over the current version (which uses an ancient version of moveabletype). Cleaner design and better functionality, I’m excited about finally doing it.
@bradenslen Yeah – after updating my other blogs I just had to get this going. Besides the indieweb stuff, just being able to paginate the category pages will be great- the existing site has huge pages for some categories and I had to abbreviate those listings to keep the page sizes down – it’s better for the user if they can see the full posts when browsing a category. (After the change we’ll have to adjust that search link you added to your directory – it will still work in the meantime.)
@jenett That makes sense on the categories. Let me know on the search link, I’ll be happy to update.
What blog script were you using before?
@bradenslen The old one uses moveabletype3 which i never updated after that company was sold. The search syntax is simpler in wordpress – just one parameter (?s=keyword) – but don’t change until i launch the new version please.
@bradenslen The new site is live ( the.dailywebthing.com ) – the parameter for the search form is “?s=” – Please update it when you have time. I appreciate it!
@jenett Updated! Thanks. Works well.
@bradenslen Thanks Brad
Kicks Condor (1/23/19):
This has been cool to watch—you’ve managed to bring over all your old links, everything looks good—and we can now crosstalk directly on your pointers pages and blog entries. This is great!
It’s funny—I stumbled across the VISUAL OBSERVER link around the same time as you. I think we’re both plundering a lot of the same tags and users on Pinboard. This has made me want to pool our link-finding knowledge, in the hopes of discovering where we’re being redundant and where we might want to venture out further. (I need to make a list of my main discovery avenues.)
To what degree do you grind away, looking for links? Or do you wait for them to come to you?
Thanks for the compliments Kicks. The dailywebthing linkport and daily pointers contain over 8,500 posts between them so it was a lot of work. Like you, I’m excited about what the indieweb brings to my sites. That leads me to the question you asked. Since 1997, I’ve spent, on average, about 4 hours per day grinding away on my web linking projects, which also included coolstop.com (daily site reviews) from 10/1997 thru 9/2010. I can’t conceive of the notion of waiting for links to come to me, which leads me to the other part of your comment.
You’ve mentioned a desire to collaborate before, so I have to be honest. My linking thing is very personal to me. Though I can appreciate your desire for learning more, I truly don’t have hopes of “discovering where we’re being redundant and where we might want to venture out further” beyond what I’m already doing through observation and interaction. What I mean to say is that I’m not looking to combine my efforts with yours (or vice-versa). We’ve already shared knowledge and our enthusiasm for the medium and our love for linking – that’s sure to be an ongoing (enjoyable) thing. But pooling our knowledge, or collaborating between sites on some type of joint effort is different than simply communicating between sites, and between us, in my mind. I know it might sound unfriendly but I don’t necessarily want to share everything. Yes, web surfing is a skill and you already know how to do it pretty damn well. We both link to unique things and I’m really comfortable with the thought of each of our sites having its own unique identity.
As I become better at expressing the motivation behind what I do and how deeply committed I am to certain aspects of it, things may get clearer. In the meantime, our recent conversations have played an important part in the direction my sites are going. I appreciate that and hope my brutal honesty doesn’t offend.
Ok, interesting—yeah, I’d agree, hunting can suck up hours of time. And, yeah, if you are spending four hours per day, I’m not going to keep up, since I’m lucky to get in four hours per week. Glad for your honest reason. Very glad for ‘brutal’ honesty—to just have your thoughts succinctly, rather than to beat around the bush for three months.
Right—I don’t mean to say that we’re going to just merge our sites together—although I did discuss trying to be clear about link-finding strategies, which borders on a trade secret I suppose. (Especially where you’ve been doing this for several decades.) And I am happy to rescind that request—I’m not trying to steal your strategy, even if I am planning to clearly lay out mine.
But let’s back up: I think we must have a fundamentally different view of where the Web is today. (imho) Link-finding has changed dramatically from the early days of the Web. Back then, everything was a link. The whole landscape was personal home pages, web comics, and niche forums. Magellan-level exploration.
Today, the Web we’re inhabiting is a niche. There is very little growth out here by comparison. Surely, there is still an infinite landscape to explore, but much of it is ad-ridden, startup- or software-focused. ‘Bloggers’ are moving toward ‘influencers’. When people talk about ‘the blogs’, they think about pundits, TMZ-type Paparazzi and minor celebrities. The rest of blogging has become an extension of Pinterest: personal recipe and home decor blogs dominate.
The ‘Indieweb’/‘Indie Web’ is a niche like vinyl collectors. It won’t ever achieve mainstream significance again. When I talk to meatspace friends about The Web, they look at it as a quaint little city that doesn’t really offer them anything new. And the only thing I can appeal to is a type of idealism: aesthetic and political idealism.
So, whereas link-finding use to be the essential task of mapping out the frontier, our new task is different: to broadcast the location of our outpost so that the holdouts who are still blogging and the wanderers, who happen to be drawn to experiment with a blog, know where we are.
I really think that an important part of our work will be to lay out how we link-find—not so that newcomers can just copy the technique—but so that they know where we’re looking. If we’re looking at tags on Pinboard, then they know where to post on Pinboard. If we’re sharing on certain hashtags on Twitter, then they know. In the past, this might have caused those channels to be oversatured—but I really don’t think spam will be our problem. Our problem is survival.
Of course, we wish the old days would return. But the future will be better, somehow. I just don’t think it will inhabit The Web again.
If you disagree or roll your eyes at any of this—no problem, no problem whatsoever. The invitation is soft—no need to get involved with anything. Focus on your work. (Fantastic work!) I just hope that my efforts won’t be upsetting you in some way. I’d rather be of a benefit, if that can possibly be the case.
Kicks – Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say. Based on what you clarified in your reply, let me offer the following: I do find many links via pinboard and follow a large and growing list of users (via my network rss feed, which includes all of the users I’ve subscribed to). I cite the pinboard user as the source when a link I use comes from them (which is relatively easy to track). I find new pinboard users to follow both by browsing pinboard and by following and filtering the recent rss feed. I also follow a few tags like design, dev, blogs, automation, etc. The most important feed is the network feed.
I also have a number of other sources I follow by feed and by browsing/exploring/surfing the web (which I won’t share as a list though I’ve linked to many of them). In general, I try to cite sources when I find new links, though tracking all of that information has its limitations. Anyone who explores my sites can see my sources. If they don’t see a source cited it might be that I couldn’t track it, it’s a link I’ve seen on more than one site, or it’s the type of site I simply will not link to (for a number of reasons like ads, annoyances, or commercial content/tone, as examples). In many cases, I’ve linked to sites at the dailywebthing who are also sources/potential sources for other links. Several of your projects and Brad’s directory are just a few examples. Finally on this subject, I’ve got to say that the micro.blog community leads to a lot of web out there, particularly newer blogs.
As far as how we view the web, I may be a little simple-minded about linking. My goal is to provide people with a pleasant web surfing experience, free of the ad-ridden crap and all the other types of annoyances that the web is full of (and always has been). To me, it’s very subjective what I mean when I use like words like ‘pleasant’ or ‘annoying’ or even ‘useful.’ In my case, what I do when I ‘link-find’ is probably somewhat a reaction to some things I don’t care for. The new indieweb tools do help get the word out and also lead to interaction – those are good things that enhance linking. But yes, it ‘s all kinda like vinyl records or even the Grateful Dead. I don’t mind being part of the few. Mainstream is over-rated and scarcity adds value to the gems we find.
I didn’t think you wanted to ‘merge’ sites or anything like that. But it seemed to me you wanted to somehow coordinate our efforts, and whether I took that right or wrong, that’s what I was responding to. I like your honesty too – it makes for meaningful discourse. Thanks.